00:42:21 Peter Murray: Cerri: Do you expect to surveillance test faculty on the same schedule as students 00:42:26 mrichter: Will students have assigned seating in class to facilitate contact tracing? 00:43:08 Givan: Two students per dorm room? Where will a student go to zoom if their roommate is sleeping/busy/on another zoom call? 00:43:36 Amy Frappier: Have we explored batch testing to reduce costs and increase surveillance? Helps detect asymptomatic cases at low cost. 00:44:34 Peter Murray: Cerri: will the College be providing a model syllabus statement, as it does for Title IX? 00:44:39 Jordana Dym: Question re student in classroom/non compliance: Students as well as faculty may have concerns — if a student is not comfortable with another student, who/who to manage? 00:44:45 Steve Goodwin: Are we talking about everyone wearing masks in class, even with 6 feet separation? 00:44:51 Trish Lyell: I think I can handle my classes; what concerns me are the students’ recreational activities. Plan, such as they are, are fine but enforcement is the key…think how “well” the smoking ban went. How and Who enforces? 00:45:03 David: But what consequences? Can we simply stop/cancel class if a student does not have a mask? 00:45:36 Michael: @Peter - I would find it very useful to see model syllabus statements. Also like we do with disability accommodations. 00:45:38 Cerri Banks: We are exploring the options for faculty and staff. We want to do consistent testing as much as possible. We will know more soon. 00:45:42 Givan: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/opinion/coronavirus-college-safe.html 00:45:58 Cerri Banks: We can work on a syllabus statement to share. Perhaps through CEPP. 00:46:38 Jess Sullivan: Marc, your appreciation of our work is great, but that is not compensation. I understand that it is asking everyone to do “extraordinary things”, but I do presume that you and other administrators are paid for this labor. We are not. 00:46:47 Lucia Hulsether: We appreciate the gratitude, but several of the faculty questions were about plans for compensation and remuneration for the extra work faculty are doing (including the plan to start classes two weeks early). 00:47:11 Dominique Vuvan: It would be really helpful to see solidarity salary cuts for all administration, in order to address the budget shortfall 00:47:15 Jordana Dym: Faculty engagement: 00:47:29 lopitz: Given recent concerns about airborne transmission being more likely than surface transmission, how will we be modifying building HVAC systems? 00:47:37 Givan: Re budget cuts, many other options should be on the table besides what Donna Ng mentioned —e.g., two years ago the college spent over $4 million on tuition remission for dependents—maybe that could be on the table? 00:47:51 Trish Lyell: The salary cuts Donna swept through would be coming from…? 00:48:15 Corinne Moss-Racusin: I hope someone will maintain a transcript of this chat, and make it available afterwards for those who couldn’t attend (and posterity) 00:48:30 Givan: CEPP should be taking charge of issues such as evaluations, not the DoF 00:48:34 Lynne Gelber: how will planning effect those already retired? 00:48:38 Katie Hauser: FEC is working on it (transcript) 00:49:13 Kelly Sheppard (he, him, his): Greenburg is only open from 8:30 am to 4:30 pm, will that continue once the semester begins? And if not, how do we accommodate trying to spread class times out? 00:50:45 Kim’s iPad: we need to have a plan and it needs to be clear and specific. we should have this already. 00:50:58 Bill: I am not convinced this is existential. We could spend $10 million of our endowment to make up for an enrollment shortfall due to all inline classes for a once in a century pandemic. We don't want to have to do this, but we could to protect life. 00:51:03 Feryaz Ocakli: CEPP is working on the evaluations question. 00:51:14 AnthonyHolland: The Nobel Prize winner for inventing PCR, the basis of Covid swab tests, suggested that PCR should not be used for disease diagnosis. The covid tests have proven very unreliable how can we trust them? 00:52:07 Daniel Curley: Don't understand the obsession with dependent tuition remission. It's a real draw for faculty with families. 00:52:17 Jordana Dym: Regarding salary: So far, staff has been furloughed and faculty are working beyond contract. The administration, who are also surely in extraordinary times, and a very nice ‘golden parachute’ to the outgoing president. 00:52:53 Pat Oles: I agree Dan and it is not a cash outlay. 00:53:18 Givan: Glad to be in touch privately afterward, Dan, if you’re interested in my take—one issue is that it involves poor students paying the tuition for more affluent dependents 00:53:19 Jordana Dym: (Sorry) — trying both to take notes and type to chat. The gist: Administration is the only employee pool whose compensation or employment is not specifically changed. 00:53:31 Bakary Diaby: The whole quote from the PCR test inventor has been somewhat debunked: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr/fact-check-inventor-of-method-used-to-test-for-covid-19-didnt-say-it-cant-be-used-in-virus-detection-idUSKBN24420X 00:53:39 Tillman Nechtman: Thank you, Jordana. That needs to be said!!!! 00:53:49 Michael Ennis-McMillan: Course delivery: I also assume faculty can define what "online" means -- expecting synchronous participation, etc. And that "hybrid" classes would not be required to except students who can only participate online (that's hyperflex). 00:54:37 Corinne Moss-Racusin: Thank you, Bakary! 00:55:52 Dominique Vuvan: I'm hoping to hear more about admin's response to ICE's announcements re: international student visas. 00:56:13 AnthonyHolland: President of Tanzania had fruit and goat test positive for covid. i.e. tests are not reliable https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-idUSKBN22F0KF 00:56:15 Michael Ennis-McMillan: Saratoga Springs community engagement: I assume faculty, at the moment, use individual judgement and discretion to engage with the broader community - field trips, guest speakers, local research, class social gatherings, etc. Or will the College offer guidelines? 00:56:28 Kelly Sheppard (he, him, his): Agree with Dominique on response to the ICE announcement. 00:56:46 Kelly Melekis: What plans will be put in place in light of or in response to the recent ICE regulations? To what extent can faculty offer or provide courses that require “in person” time even if/when we move to remote delivery? My understanding is that international students will only be able to stay in the U.S. if they have at least 3-credits in person. 00:56:57 Tillman Nechtman: Per Dominique’s question, I do wonder whether offering a class as a hybrid or hy-flex version would help students more than offering them as fully online. Do we know. 00:57:01 Givan: Yes also mandatory NY quarantine for students residing in certain states. 00:57:02 Michael Ennis-McMillan: @Dominique: me too! Should we prepare to offer "in person/hybrid" independent studies for international students? 00:57:08 William Lewis: Second to D. Vuvan’s question about ICE 00:57:20 Sara: Tony, contamination can cause false positives, mostly due to user error. Doesn't mean the test itself isn't valid. 00:57:37 Bill: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 00:57:40 Lucia Hulsether: To signal boost what Jordana has said and to connect it to the question about racial justice, racist “inequities” / white supremacy is expressed and reproduced tacitly in who at ϳԹ has been asked to take the hit as far as working beyond contract and/or be furloughed. This connection should be directly addressed. 00:57:40 Bradley Onishi: I also would like to hear more about the ICE announcement and whether or not it is viewed as “guidance” to our institution. 00:57:45 Rebecca Johnson: Simply extending the tenure clock delays promotion, pay increases, and job security. 00:57:57 Dominique Vuvan: Yes, thank you Becca ^ 00:57:58 Sara: Since ϳԹ is technically opening in the fall, doesn't that mean that the ICE decision doesn't pertain to our students? 00:58:50 Amy Frappier: agree, Becca. Tenure delays are an easy response for decisionmakers, but are not necessarily in candidates best interest. 00:58:56 Cristobal Lemus-Vidales: It still pertains. Since students need not be taking fully online courses even if on campus 00:58:59 Lindsay Buchman: This is the announcement ICE made from yesterday: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/sevis/pdf/bcm2007-01.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1quYnnIWzbTDxe6fl7NubFPPTs8_71shQ1R03xrn0dCsj33xeuqxGuAv0 00:59:09 Jordana Dym: Thank you, Lucia. Excellent point. 00:59:19 Dominique Vuvan: @Sara - it's not clear, we're in the "hybrid" category bc of faculty autonomy to choose delivery method, as I understand it. Int'l students are supposed to be taking a certain number of in-person credits. Also, what happens when campus has to go fully remote bc of an outbreak - visas are revoked? And all that said, I'm not inclined to believe anything ICE says about its "rules and regs" 01:00:15 Cristobal Lemus-Vidales: I am worried about for example an international Math major in a junior or senior year all whose courses will be online. 01:02:05 meckmann: I don't seem to have the ability to save all these comments in the chat for later reading. I am sure I was able to do this in other zoom meetings. I would appreciate a copy of this chat be made available after the meeting. 01:02:13 Bill: I believe only 1 course or 3 credits max. can be taken online by international students. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during 01:02:36 Katie Hauser: mike... frc working on saving chat 01:02:50 Katie Hauser: FEC! working on it 01:02:58 meckmann: Thank you Katie 01:03:38 Jennifer Delton: I assume class prep is part of my 9 month contract. It is not like any of us can travel, research, carry on as usual during this summer anyway. 01:06:05 Givan: What about cutting some varsity programs? 01:06:08 Givan: https://www.saratogian.com/news/skidmore-cuts-mens-hockey/article_86c9c6bc-1bd6-5f12-86e0-f7021ca6ac7a.html 01:06:17 Daniel Curley: Jennifer, do you mean that you *don't* expect to do course prep outside of the 9 months or that you *do*? 01:06:22 Givan: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/06/01/brown-university-cuts-11-varsity-sports 01:07:15 Stephen Ives: What about realized/anticipated savings from lack of travel (faculty/staff/students athletics)? Is this being onsidered in the model? 01:07:26 Michael Ennis-McMillan: Cutting healthcare during a global health emergency seems to require careful thought! 01:07:40 Jordana Dym: The impact of salary and benefit cuts are VERY different at very different salary bands. Please keep that in mind. 01:08:05 Dominique Vuvan: @jordana Totally, which is why we should be seeing progressing salary cuts, starting at the top 01:08:13 Dominique Vuvan: progressive* 01:08:22 Lucia Hulsether: On the faculty of 9-month contracts and summer labor, I highly recommend this article: https://thenewinquiry.com/summertime-selves-on-professionalization/ 01:08:28 Givan: Yes—what about the outgoing President’s “terminal sabbatical” pay? 01:08:32 Jess Sullivan: 10/10 agree, Dom. 01:08:45 Tillman Nechtman: Agreed, Dominque and Jordana. 01:08:46 Corinne Moss-Racusin: ^^ yes, this 01:08:59 Tillman Nechtman: And Ben. 01:09:01 Leigh Wilton: Agree, also! 01:09:30 Amy Frappier: agreed 01:10:33 Corinne Moss-Racusin: I really hope someone will ask about this before our time ends 01:11:01 Corinne Moss-Racusin: it would be great to hear the administration’s thoughts on progressive pay cuts, and if they will include administrators 01:11:02 Givan: Yes—did Glotzbach really walk away with >$500K as a bonus? 01:11:21 xhou: Yes! Please ask! 01:11:23 Givan: I’m happy to be corrected if I’m misunderstanding. 01:11:58 Marc Conner, ϳԹ: The $550K bonus legend is absolutely false. False, Did not happen. 01:12:15 Givan: Fine—I stand corrected—so did he get any terminal sabbatical pay? 01:12:19 Trish Lyell: Could you clarify this then, Marc? 01:12:38 Givan: In a couple of years from now it will show up as public information on the 990 form 01:12:50 Marc Conner, ϳԹ: Yes, a terminal sabbatical, as agreed in his appointment. Very common for a departing president. 01:13:44 Givan: But at present many administrators nationwide are taking voluntary paycuts. 01:14:00 Jamie Parra: And as everyone keeps saying, these are not common times. 01:14:17 Paul Sattler: With new evidence suggesting Covid-19 spread via airborne transmission (vs. surface contamination), two students per dorm sounds like a dangerously risky gamble. 01:14:28 Michael Ennis-McMillan: FYI: During the last economic downturn we had reduction in employees (to save costs) that shifted work to others. The work doesn't go away. For example, hiring freezes and early retirement can increase class sizes and advising. I hope we can considered ways to reduce work in areas were we can -- meetings, committee work, paperwork, reporting. 01:14:36 Tillman Nechtman: It’s worth observing that the conversations about health care costs and retirement costs needing to be cut, those go back before COVID. So, I would suggest that a terminal sabbatical - though very common - was not in keeping with the pressed financial conditions that many employees at the college have been told of or fear. This was not a wise contract term from the Board of Trustees and was tone deaf to the concerns many of us feel and have felt these past years. 01:14:58 Givan: https://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/news/education/college/rutgers/2020/07/01/rutgers-jonathan-holloway-begins-tenure-president-takes-pay-cut/5355085002/ 01:15:12 Rebecca Johnson: And so we ARE paying two presidents' salaries this year, in a time when staff are being furloughed and faculty are not receiving equity adjustments? 01:15:18 Jennifer Delton: Dan, I am using this very unusual summer to learn brightspace and put my courses on line. Perhaps instead of asking to be compensated for summer work, full professors can forego that. 01:15:25 Corinne Moss-Racusin: So just to clarify—we are correct in our understanding that Phil is receiving his full salary this year (as he stated in his departing email), correct? But it’s not being referred to as a bonus (and was pre-arranged)? 01:15:30 Marta Brunner: For NTT whose contracts are due to end (eg sabbatical replacements), we should at least commit to retain these faculty as Research Associates so that they can continue to show affiliation (which helps with job applications) and utilize our library resources for their research. 01:15:46 Tillman Nechtman: Yes, Rebecca. That sits poorly with many on campus. 01:15:51 Rebecca Johnson: Hi Corinne! 01:16:04 Jamie Parra: I don’t understand why we have 9-month contracts if they don’t seem to mean anything. 01:16:12 Jess Sullivan: Why should Phil’s contract — which stipulated a large and expensive sabbatical — be honored, but mine (which stipulates when I work) is not?!?!?! 01:16:17 Michael Ennis-McMillan: RE course schedule: Thanks for differentiating "hybrid" from "hyperflex". 01:16:24 Corinne Moss-Racusin: I understand that Phil’s sabbatical year was arranged in advance and is common, but so are many of the things we’re being asked to change or forego 01:16:31 Daniel Curley: Thanks, Jennifer. I work on my courses over the summer, because when else? 01:16:42 Givan: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/04/06/pay-cuts-university-presidents-coaches 01:16:57 Jess Sullivan: Like, we are being asked to work outside of our contracted time. I thought ϳԹ didn’t care about contracts in this moment. Bummer that contracts count for administrators but not for faculty or staff :-( 01:16:58 AnthonyHolland: will faculty be mandated to take covid tests in order to work this fall term? 01:17:25 Givan: Phil could make a donation as a gesture toward leaving the college in secure financial shape. 01:18:45 Daniel Curley: So am I the only one who works on courses during the summer? 01:18:53 csilber: But surely it is possible to know in advance capacity maximums, to know that when those limits are being reached that a new decision has to be made? Or the plan is to just scramble to increase capacity as demands increase? Surely it possible to set the capacity limit in advance, respond to that. 01:18:53 Givan: Registrar has just posted a fall schedule with Saturday time slots. /registrar/faculty/classtimes-soc-dist.php 01:19:18 David Howson: @Jamie. Agreed. What’s the point of a 9-month contract? 01:19:23 Andrew Lindner: I'm not sure we ought to accept the framing of making cuts. Debt is close to free right now. We could borrow and increase our endowment take slightly. Invest in our future. Let's not make the mistake of deep austerity. 01:19:39 Deb Hall: Dan, everyone I know is working on their classes and trying to learn Brightspace. 01:19:53 Rik: Great point, Andrew. 01:20:01 Givan: There have been news reports indicating that nationally health care costs have FALLEN because many people have been making fewer visits to the doc 01:20:07 Daniel Curley: Deb, I mean as a general rule, not just during this extraordinary summer. 01:20:34 Givan: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/29/plunge-in-health-care-spending-a-big-reason-us-economy-sank-in-first-quarter.html 01:20:59 Givan: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-have-healthcare-utilization-and-spending-changed-so-far-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/#item-start 01:22:27 Trish Lyell: given the small dent an hour meeting makes In the many questions everyone has, how frequently will these take place from here ? 01:22:29 Dominique Vuvan: Yes, thanks Andrew L for that very good point 01:22:38 John Galt: Are we to be tested at the college or at our own health care provider? 01:23:07 Rebecca Johnson: Great question, Trish. I hope that we have more time for Q&A again soon. 01:23:22 Amy Frappier: Andrew L, important point. 01:23:37 Catherine Golden and Michael Marx: Can members of the community come on to campus? Will the Encore program that brings many seniors to campus be offered, for example? 01:23:47 Givan: How much do the athletics programs cost each year? 01:23:47 Kelly Sheppard (he, him, his): Andrew’s point is a good one. 01:24:08 Charlotte & Sean D'Evelyn: Re Dan’s question: I’m not sure about others, but I typically use most of June and July for research. We are being asked to think about teaching in entirely different ways for the fall, which requires an incredible time commitment (on top of all of the department meetings and other ϳԹ conversations). 01:24:21 Charlotte & Sean D'Evelyn: This is different from normal course prep. 01:24:30 Lara Ayad: Yes, Charlotte! Very true 01:24:39 Tillman Nechtman: It’s worth observing that even if we normally plan classes in the summer, we do not normally do scheduling and everything else we’re doing. 01:24:55 Givan: Please maybe take the final three outstanding questions? 01:25:05 Givan: Trish, Pat, and Lucia 01:25:21 Amy Frappier: Some of us are also packing and moving. Our entire department is still in boxes. Extrordinary summer work, indeed. 01:25:33 Jess Sullivan: Can we get the last 3 q’s answered? 01:25:42 Lindsay Buchman: Agreed. Please take the last three questions. 01:25:45 Bill: Andrew's point echoes my concern about calling this existential and thus calling for bringing students back despite the clear health risks. 01:26:01 Givan: Yes, especially since some of the initial presentations were unnecessary—powerpoint could have been sent out in advance 01:26:08 Daniel Curley: RR don't apply here. 01:26:11 Givan: They took over 20 minutes 01:28:07 Kathleen Leavitt: Studio Art as well 01:28:21 Jason Ohlberg: I would also like to hear more about HVAC systems and the capacity to circulate air in classrooms and studio spaces. 01:28:22 Debra Fernandez: Dance studios as well. 01:28:28 Eunice Ferreira: Dear faculty, please refrain from saying “everyone” or “we” when making claims about how faculty are impacted by this pandemic, let alone the racial strife of this particular moment. I imagine this summer is different for everyone and for different reasons. 01:29:03 L. Caitlin Jorgensen (she / her): Thank you for that reminder, Eunice! 01:29:07 David Howson: Thank you, Eunice! 01:29:07 Sandra Goff: ^ 01:29:15 Marta Brunner: Jason: I know that Dan Rodecker is looking deeply into HVAC systems throughout campus. 01:29:16 hhurst: Thank you Pat 01:29:19 Kelly Melekis: yes. Thank you Eunice. 01:29:22 Beck Krefting: YES, Eunice! 01:29:23 Wendy Lee: Thank you, Eunice. 01:29:27 Amy Frappier: Thank you Eunice. 01:29:32 Amy Frappier: Thank you Pat 01:29:56 Leigh Wilton: Yes, Eunice. Thank you! 01:30:47 Jamie Parra: Yes, thank you, Lucia. 01:31:03 Jordana Dym: Thank you, Eunice. Thank you, Lucia. 01:31:11 Marta Brunner: Thanks, Lucia, for asking these questions. 01:31:12 Leigh Wilton: Thank you, Lucia. 01:31:14 Wendy Lee: Thank you, Lucia. 01:32:35 Givan: Could the college sell property—such as Pine Cottage, which was just bought as a “target of opportunity” about 4 years ago? 01:33:13 Trish Lyell: Sorry to disappear just as my question came up-fox in the chicken coop. Literally. 01:33:48 Jamie Parra: I do not sign up for uncompensated work. 01:33:53 Matt Wilt: Typical excuse Trish… 01:34:00 Givan: That’s very generous, but it’s a completely different issue 01:34:21 Givan: More budget transparency overall seems warranted 01:34:37 Peter Murray: thank you, FEC!!!! 01:34:40 David Howson: Thank you, FEC. 01:34:42 Debra Fernandez: Thanks to everyone and thank you FEC!! 01:34:42 Givan: Maybe FEC could reconstitute the Financial Planning Committee with faculty reps 01:34:43 Jordana Dym: Thank you FEC 01:34:43 Marta Brunner: Thank you for facilitating, Casey! 01:34:44 Smriti Tiwari: Thank you, Casey and others in FEC 01:34:45 Lara Ayad: Thank you FEC! 01:34:47 Jennifer Cholnoky: Thank you FEC 01:34:47 Rebecca Johnson: Thank you, FEC! 01:34:47 Amy Frappier: Thanks Casey! 01:34:48 Sandra Goff: Thankyou, FEC